A video clip from the interview began with Hill demanding, “Name something positive that you like about being white.”
“There [are] a lot of documents that are floating around public schools that say things like timeliness, showing up on time, is a white supremacist value or a white-dominant value. Things like rationality, things like the enlightenment, things like objectivity — these are very strange things to be ascribed to a racial identity. My view is that these actually should be ascribed to every individual human being, every individual human being regardless of whatever racial category we impose on them,” Rufo answered.
“That doesn’t answer the question though,” Hill interrupted. “You’re making strawmen about things that are ascribed to whiteness, that you think are wrongfully ascribed to whiteness. I’m saying if whiteness isn’t a negative thing and there’s something that you actually, and that whiteness actually shouldn’t be constructed as all negative, name something … that you believe is positive about being white.”
“Again, I don’t buy into the framework that the world can be reduced into these metaphysical categories of whiteness and blackness. I think that’s wrong. I think we should look at people as individuals. I think we should celebrate different people’s accomplishments … I think of myself as an individual human being with my own capabilities, and I would hope that we could both judge each other as individuals and come to common values on that basis,” said Rufo.
After a moment of stunned silence, Hill conceded, “Fair enough.”